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    Discussion in 'Archives' started by gogo134, Jan 7, 2017.

    1. gogo134

      gogo134 Member

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      @Pushedx New players got consufed so much by the forum in current state,can we somehow fix this?
       
    2. pushedx

      pushedx Moderator Moderator Buddy Core Dev

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      Unfortunately, no. There's too many changes that happen on a regular basis that prevent anyone from trying to make "user friendly, always up to date" forum resources.

      For that to happen, the game needs to stay stable for a while, in addition to all our exiting code staying the exact same, which just won't be the case still unless we choose to stop working on the project (which we're not).

      User friendliness is the least prioritized thing right now, because once people take the time to learn the game, then learn how EB works, they're pretty good to go. It's something they can actually do.

      Performance issues, keeping the API up-to-date, modernizing the core design of EB for community developers to make awesome things with EB, and providing better stock content to cover the entire game (MapBot/QuestBot) are the things users cannot do, and benefit from a lot more in the short and long run, and that's where our highest priorities are right now.

      I'd love for us to be able to update all forum content and keep it that way, but there's too many things changing (as has always been the case the past 4 years almost) that makes forum content updates lag behind quite a bit. So, I'm aware that we've been lacking in that department for a while now, but there are just better things to invest the time into right now that will make a bigger difference.
       
    3. gramps

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      Hey pushedx, I think bot performance may have improved since the current update. Anyways, I was wondering if, when you guys do the next update, you guys can include the updated extensions with the chest ui, since the extensions plugin attached to each update doesn't include this option.
       
    4. toNyx

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      I have to admit that for the price, they could have a pretty ordered subforum tho...
       
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    5. DontBeAfraid

      DontBeAfraid Active Member

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      See it as "natural" selection.
      Who wants to earn and profit with EB has to research and do some work.
      Lazy people don't get anything on the silver plate and diligent, motiviated people still will find everything needed and important.

      We don't need a clean forum. We need less lazy, greedy leechers.
       
    6. Zaxxon2009

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      Not really, the devs and bot needs income to live on! If you make it to hard to run, there will be no new customers!
       
    7. brainAbuddy

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      you are right about the natural selection, becayse yes those lazy guys will leave soon but it's always better to have a good working bot that is easy to setup but for those lazy "leechers" so we have more people who can test stuff. and keep in mind that most start being a lazy "leechers" and after a while they start to become more and more active and start to be more interesting in the more advanced stuff there is.
      I started out that way in honorbuddy.
      and please keep in mind that what Zaxxon2009 already said the devs need an income and this is still a busnis that need a good income to keep there stuff up to date and if this but isn't profitable they will stop paying the devs for updating the bot.
       
    8. clandestine

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      I'm sure if someone steps up and creates and maintains a post with verified working plugins, profiles and whatnot it can get stickied by the mods.
       
    9. V-lock

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      You're gonna be the first one bitching when there is no bot at all due to lack of income though. But you do you boo, keep hating on the people that help pay the bills and allow people to work on the bot at all.
       
    10. darkbluefirefly

      darkbluefirefly Community Developer

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      I'm covering for 60 Keys, there're probably like 10 more of me out there as well, so that's 600 ~ Keys a month. I don't think EB is going t sink anytime soon. So DontBeAfraid is right.
       
    11. V-lock

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      Hey, if you think you can float this bot all by yourself why not hire a personal dev? That way you don't ever have to come to the forums and listen to "leechers."

      This is still a business, and under no business model pushing away new customers a good idea. Pretty sure ExileBuddy has some of the fewest devs out of any buddy bots out there, I wonder if that's because it brings in less than the other bots? #showerthought
       
    12. DontBeAfraid

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      also take into consideration that the business model will only work when poe currency is still valuable.
      too many big botters ruin the market -> ruin EB demand

      what we need is some way in the middle and i think we're already there.


      you guys act like it's magic to run the bot efficiently.. it's not, it just requires some days reading, testing and proper use of your own brain.
      the comdev section offers all one needs. just gotta take the time to read and understand and apply.
      it's sad enough that this easy task is filtering the userbase.
       
    13. V-lock

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      I agree the information is there. But OP is saying the information is everywhere, its literally scattered through sections of outdated information for v1.x or headlined "no longer updated, may work with 2.x"

      Literally no one has ever said the information is not there, this discussion is about making it easier to FIND the relevant information. Ya'll elitists act like people are asking for a brand new bot, that isn't the case. Absolutely no harm would come from someone who has a good understanding of EB, compiling relevant information scattered throughout these forums, and organizing it to make it easier for new users to find the information they need to start. The dude who starts today could be one of the super duper cool guys buying 60 keys next season.
       
    14. DontBeAfraid

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      the dude that is able to start today and maintain 60 bots in 7 weeks (when next league starts) will be able to do that anyways without handguiding.
      serious people are able to click through 2 subforums and read 4-5 threads. (yes that is all you gotta do.)
       
    15. darkbluefirefly

      darkbluefirefly Community Developer

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      The fact thay the dudes who run 60+ keys dont post much bitching about yhis and that already shows what type of people they are. Spending their time reading to get more productivity done. Rather then waiting for things to be done. Why dont i hire a dev? Please economically think before you speak. Why do ppl keep things to themselves? Because money.
       
    16. gramps

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      You will find the answers here:

      "Why do ppl keep things to themselves? Because money."

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      "also take into consideration that the business model will only work when poe currency is still valuable.
      too many big botters ruin the market -> ruin EB demand
      what we need is some way in the middle and i think we're already there."

      There are some people on this thread that are willing to share, like Tonyx. Others though, who are making money off this bot, are competitive. Is this an excuse for the business model? Not really, but it's a business with few ethical rules to protect the beginner consumer. Like POE is a game made largely with long time retention in mind, this bot is made that way as well. It relies on community devs that already code their own plugins (some share the updates for a price). This bot is not user friendly because it doesn't need to be, as it has control of the qualified POE bot market. Is this fair? No, but fairness among some only comes when necessity to be fair comes into play.
       
    17. darkbluefirefly

      darkbluefirefly Community Developer

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      Senpaiiiiii T.T
      you are right.
       
    18. eatinapineapple

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      Hi -

      What "excuse" are you looking for? I'm not sure what kind of "ethical rules" and "fairness" you are talking about. Legitimately wondering.

      If you want it compiled so badly - put your money where you mouth is and do it. OTHERWISE WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS POST? Complain about yourself?


      Legit question 2: What questions do people have that aren't able to be solved with the search function and 10 minutes? Let's tackle those.
       
    19. gramps

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      To question 1.) There are some "ethical" rules, namely the ones made by the main program devs. Others are made by community devs (provide a log, do your homework, etc.) Inb4, yes, these are ethical as they imply a supposed good and bad conduct. As I stated, they simply don't offer protection to the beginner consumer. In this sense, there is no excuse (either not offering, or not explaining the status of whether it is a beginner friendly product or not to prospective customers). This is why these posts continue to pop up. Because there exists people that assume this bot runs on a different business model than it really does. However, it is more geared towards those willing to research on their own, and code their own plugins. The point of the post was not to complain about myself, but rather, to explain the nature of the bot and it's plugin dependencies to the person commenting.

      On a side note to your question, I wasn't complaining about the system, since I don't expect anything else out of the system. I was merely pointing out it's flaws for beginners, or those unwilling to research on their own. I was offered the product as is, and knowing the benefits/risks, I will continue to pay until certain plugins are no longer offered. So it seems you think that I'm playing the victim, but I'm not. So, it's pretty clear to me that the question relating to this was not, as you falsely assumed, a legit question.

      To question 2.) I think it takes more than 10 minutes to solve most of the problems a beginner might encounter with this bot. I think the continual posts popping up prove this. Keep in mind, I'm talking about beginners to this bot.
       
    20. eatinapineapple

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      You're right - I believe I misunderstood the intention of your post. Cheers.

      As to #2 I agree with you - I think you may misunderstand my point. Most of the issues a beginner will have have answers on the forum already and individually take no more than 10 minutes to solve. The rest, those are the types of issues we as a community should be addressing to move the bot forward, not caught in error/diagnostic loop. If an issue pops up a second time with an answer already available on the forum, that tells me the poster likely didn't search for an answer first - otherwise why not post in that topic?
       

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