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    Discussion in 'Ban Section-Ban reports' started by Square, Sep 15, 2016.

    1. Square

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      The easiest way to get detected is by doing something that a normal human cannot do, walking at 50 KPH, teleporting from New York to Paris in few minutes, walking 2000 KM in only few days, etc... All these are detected by program, and not by a human working at Niantic.

      The most common violation comes from exceedingly fast walks at sustained speed. When you set your location to New York to catch pokemon, then suddenly changed your location to Paris after only few hours, the program will calculate the distance and the time that it took you to log back in and come up with speed. For example, if you were farming at a city 2000 miles away from you, then you logged off, waited for only 2 hours, and logged back in to your hometown, the calculated speed will be 2000miles/2 hours or 1000 miles per hour. Human cannot do that, and there will be a great chance that you might get banned after several attempts. It doesn’t matter if you are in the same hometown, if the you changed your location 5 miles away in just 30 secs; that will be equivalent to 5 mph/0.5 mins or a 60mph walk. Sniping is detected the same way too since you have to change to different locations in short period of time to catch those rare pokemon. It is not the sniping or teleporting that cause a trainer to get banned, it's you inhuman speed to travel from one place to another.

      It is true that you cannot log in using your phone while botting, that's because you cannot be at two places at the same time. But there is a way around it. You don't have to wait for hours to use your phone and check those pokemons that you caught. All you have to do is disable your GPS. If you are using an Iphone, just go to privacy, turn off the location services, then you can safely log in. That is because the game cannot determine your location when the GPS is off. With the GPS off, you can safely do anything you want, except catching pokemon or visiting any pokestop, there will be no map.

      Another way to get detected is by walking great amount of distance in short period of time. You get medal when you wqlked 200 KM, but if it took you only two days to cover that distance, then it is inhuman, and a red flag. Realistically, how many KM can you walk in one day?

      The amount of candies and and Stardust is not a red flag, since it is dependent on the amount of Pokemon that you caught. Most trainers do not power up until they reach higher level, when they can catch higher CP pokemon with higher IV and evolves stronger. It saves them huge amount of Stardust, so don’t worry about the large amount of stardust that you accumulated.

      Because you have to act as natural as possible, does that mean that bot is practically useless? NO, I have 5 level 30+, 5 level 25+, and 5 level 20+ without a single ban. That is because the number of pokemon you caught in a day and how long you play pokemon in a day IS NOT a red flag either.

      I will tell you why on my next post, and how to avoid getting banned and not waste your days of effort
       
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    2. Klausbober

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      Buddy, I have a very good news for you: Airplane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


      So you really mean if I fly home from L.A. to Amsterdam, it’s about 9.000 km in 11 hrs (800 km/h), they will ban me because, as you write “. Human cannot do that, and there will be a great chance that you might get banned after several attempts.” Do you believe yourself?
      Bullshit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
       
    3. Fat Bob

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      I don't agree with the speed element.
      My son plays legitimately all the time as a passenger in the car at speeds over 100km/h.
      He has been playing since day one and his account has not been banned.
       
    4. Square

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      I am very familiar with these two situations before I considered offering advice, planes and pokemon hunting, which I did both myself.

      The difference between actually travelling and botting is the frequency of travel. As a human, how many times do you travel by plane each day in a week? Most bans are result of too many offenses. Unless you can explain to Niantic that you live in LA, work in Washington, eat lunch in Maryland, back to work in Washington, have snack in Houston, and back home in LA for dinner. And by the way, you also visit Amsterdam every Friday and London on Saturdays. Bots allowed you to do that and most trainers are guilty of doing that, but as a human?? Come on!

      As for travelling 50kph, sure you can. You will just get the message and all you have to do is click on “I am a passenger”, and you’re good to go. But how many pokemons did your son capture doing this in a day in a real life? 200? 300? Because bot allows you travel at this speed and still capture hundreds of pokemon. And your son do this everyday? You don’t believe me? Try setting your speed to 50kph, leave it overnight (like I do at 10.8 everyday). If you don’t get a soft ban, try doing this many times and post again in few days.

      I guess this makes my follow up advice moot and unnecessary? I only have few accounts that are level 35+, but without a single ban. Maybe some of you have better experience and advice than me. If you do, please share your secrets. Maybe we can use it too. I just want to share mine how I reached there. I didn’t post to encourage debate and negative criticism. I don't get paid to post here.

      As for teleporting, by all means, continue doing that. Good luck!! As for GPS hopping, same thing. Set your speed to 50 kph and prove me wrong. Of course, I will not advice these to others. It only takes few minutes to advance to level 10, hours to get to level 20, but days to get to level 30. It even gets harder to get to 35 safely even when botting. By the time that you reached 35, you will become nervous because you don’t want to waste your effort. Getting banned at higher level sucks because you know that you committed small mistake which could have been avoided.

      Don’t get me wrong, I had a lot of bans using Nox, Goodnight, Poke buddy, etc because it was hard for me to change the parameters to make my bot act like human(they are free, but don’t use them!!), …but like what I said, botting with PF doesn’t get you banned. It’s the way you bot that gets you banned. But I am speaking from my own experience. Share yours!!

      Good luck!
       
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    5. Fat Bob

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      This is a great idea for a thread however lets keep this short with numbered dot points. Too much discussion.
      Write it up in numbered dot point form and people can argue or agree with your points by number.
       
    6. Klausbober

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      Buddy, since the ban wave middle og august no one is banned. Do you understand? No one. This is the secret you are asking for.
      The fact you are not banned is not an approve. Let us survive the next ban wave and then you (or me) can say "my tactic is right because I am not banned".

      Again: not only you is not banned, every one is not banned whatever you or they do. Just soft bans for couple of hours for too fast too often transferring/teleporting/beaming from place to place. But no bans. No one.

      Do your understand? Its useless to say "I am not banned" because there are no bans since middle of august (or whenever the last ban wave passed over our bots, I don't remember this week or two weeks exactly).

      Now my experience. You will be banned if your account is flagged via wrong data on API. As example: all legit Pokemon clients send Heartbeats. If some Pokemon client doesn't send Heartbeats- its not original Pokemon client. This example is very simple.
      Pokefarmer bot sends Heartbeats only started with Build 128. So if someone used farmer after Niantic added Heartbeat to the API but before version 128 - ist flagged. But not banned. Not yet. No one is banned since last wave.
      Now (couple day ago) we got new API again. According to developers Pokefarmer is not fully adapted to this new API today. So this is possible that legit PokemonClient sends today some "123Bla-Bla-Bla321" via API to Niantic and every account which not send it is clear and no doubt a bot and can be flagged (but not banned yet).

      After some time (may be tomorrow, maybe next year, maybe never) Niantic will make a statistic of all flagged accounts. an make decision: should we ban them and if yes, who should we banned. Should we ban all flagged. Or should we ban all flagged in September. Or should we ban all with flag because of Heratbeats. Or should we ban all because of "123Bla-Bla-Bla321". Or both. Or else.

      And if you survive this wave you still don't know why you survived because you don't know their selection to ban.

      But you can be sure they don't ban because your are jogging 8 hours a day or walking only at nights. There are many crazy people who really do it! There ara people there who ply Monday to L.A. and Friday back to Amsterdam every week, just believe me. No, Niantic ban just because they see your account send (or did send in the past) some wrong data via API, so you are using bot. That's all. Very simple. No difficult cybernetic theory about "human behavior".
       
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    7. PokemonAddict

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      @Klaus

      Your are right. I'm botting now with 10 diff. bots and recieved no bans...I must be the king ;)
       

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