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    1. Bene

      Bene New Member

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      All nice and sexy.

      In the end we all know nobody gives a damn about laws! ;) I really dont give a damn about them.
      We all know its about that money!

      Regards
       
    2. PTankadin

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      You are giving your blessing once you accept the agreement... just saying. Logic FTW!
       
    3. woohah

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      Agreed....
       
    4. xpl0itz

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      You do not give Blizzard the right to look into your every open program just by clicking Okay on an EULA that nobody reads anyway. Warden used to scan the list of open processes and read the window names, but Blizzard got sued for that and lost, even though they didn't send any information about non-cheating related programs back to the server.
       
    5. MondoC00l

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      The question is, will it be an issue for us users?
      All we can do is speculate at this point, but it does look they are trying for wiggle room to address the use of third party programs.
       
    6. Tiama

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      For heavens sake, you can't give them permission to something that's protected by other laws.

      Oh well let's try it. "You have my permission to rob a bank" Do it, please. It's not against the laws anymore I gave you the permission.
       
    7. sakocs

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      Copy/Past but it holds true to this as WARDEN can be considered spyware

      Attempting or gaining access to someone's computer without their consent or knowledge is criminally illegal according to computer crime laws, such as the United States Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and the United Kingdom's Computer Misuse Act.



      Does this mean that spyware is illegal? Not necessarily. Though law enforcement has often pursued the creators of malware like viruses, spyware developers have been largely un-prosecuted under criminal law, though they occasionally do face lawsuits. Many spyware companies even operate as legitimate businesses.

      Spyware creators remain largely untouched because of the way spyware generally finds itself on your computer. Though many people claim that they never authorized spyware access to their computer, spyware developers claim otherwise. Spyware that comes with the software that people download is normally mentioned in the license agreement that users must click consent to before installation. Most users ignore this agreement and just click "Yes" or "Agree" to proceed with the installation, and users who do read the agreement may not understand its implications. However, spyware producers argue that this is a legally binding contract, and when someone clicks consent to the license agreement they are consenting to the spyware. Hence, the spyware does not exist on people's computers without their consent, whether they read the license agreement or not, and it is therefore not violating any laws. Spyware may be annoying, but given that you clicked in agreement to a license in which it was mentioned, spyware producers argue that its existence on your computer is your own fault, and it is not against the law.

      Despite this, some forms of spyware are against the law - for instance, spyware that is not mentioned in any sort of consent form upon installation. The U.S. states of Washington and Iowa have also passed laws criminalizing certain forms of spyware. These laws make it illegal for anyone other than the owner or operator of a computer to install software that monitors web browser settings, monitors keystrokes, or disables security software. Several bills have been voted on in the United States Congress including the Spy Block Act (Software Principles Yielding Better Levels of Consumer Knowledge) and the SPY Act (Securely Protect Yourself Against Cyber Trespass), both passed in 2004, and the I-SPY Act (Internet Spyware Prevention) passed in 2005 and reintroduced in 2007. These bills impose penalties and punishments the producers of spyware. They make it illegal to hijack control of a user's computer, expose users to pop-up ads that can't be closed, modify a user's personal settings, or download personal information without the user's consent.

      So the moral of the story? Spyware is not illegal if you click consent to it in an end user license agreement during installation. So make sure you prevent spyware from contaminating your computer by reading all consent forms before you click. You may also want to learn how to remove spyware when it does show up on your computer.
       
    8. ushername

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      Read what you copy/paste.

      By accepting the TOS, you are giving Blizzard consent. Thus making it fully legal.
       
    9. buzzerbeater

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      Nope, at least not in Germany.

      There is a law which makes the tos/eula obsolete. The complete thing has to be viewable before you buy so the "consent" is only "legal" when you do it before you purchase it.

      This is why 99% of the tos/eula things aren't useful in any way in Germany.

      Btw. This is the reason that boss and started a lawsuit against the eula of blizz/wow.
       
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    10. sakocs

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      sigh that was the point i was making. is that they can do this. i read it
      thus this line

       
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    11. PTankadin

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      did you even read the post I responded to? He said they cannot scan your RAM, nobody said anything about every open program.

      "Consent to Monitor.

      WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 2. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER. "

      Source: Blizzard Entertainment:World of Warcraft End User License Agreement
       
    12. PTankadin

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      btw Bossland did not "Start" a Lawsuit against Blizzard, Blizzard started one against them, please get your story strait. http://www.thebuddyforum.com/buddy-bots/legal/30439-blizzard-has-sued-us.html
       
    13. buzzerbeater

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      It's called a "Counter Claim" it is not a lawsuit...
       
    15. f2u

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      so you're aware that "counter lawsuits," actually counter a previous lawsuit. you can't really counterclaim someone unless there was first a claim against you
       
    16. greaterdeath

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      Still have never actually seen or been provided a link to this lawsuit Blizzard lost I hear so much about (Google has not been my friend). Still never been provided a reasonable explanation for why those things are in the ToS, seeing as its been updated numerous times since this "lawsuit".

      Not that matters whether I bot or not. Just seems like rumours that have become "facts" and its annoying.
       
    17. PTankadin

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      Some info here, Blizzard hasn't "Lost" anything as of yet, but here is a link Legal , hope you read German.
       
    18. greaterdeath

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      Thanks, I meant the other "lawsuit" from some years ago that Blizzard apparently lost. ofc I'm pulling for team HB on this one :)
       
    19. PTankadin

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      Well to be totally honest, I think if they would have lost a lawsuit, it would have been removed from the agreement, however it is still there...
       
    20. hi1674

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      the word you would want to use is "their"
       

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