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    1. bossland

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      A short resume on todays trial, the second trial on the case Blizzard vs Bossland.

      The trial had to start at 11:45 and end 12:00, which looked like a joke since 11:45 there was the next trial planned for the judges. However we did not manage to get to our trial before 12:50 and it lasted around 45 minutes.

      As usual, all the plannings we made, on how the case can be turned .. failed, because somehow the judge thinks this is all about the game ludo. And in ludo you are not supposed to dice only "6"'s.

      besides this phenomenal description, he made clear that there is no problem at all to say that we are competitors. That what we do is an obstructional competition and if the EULA and TOS are bound in the contract between the end user and blizzard will not be looked at, as its not mattering.

      Also he said that each game has rules, so called rules of the game, and the user has to get to them, read them and follow them. That they are public and can be read online. This leads to, that the rules are somewhere hidden within the EULA and TOS, but since they do not matter, how do they expect them to be read and followed.. around here i lost it completely.

      But it was not yet over, also one of the main aspects of the game is the communication between players, and since bots can not communicate, they are obstructing blizzard. However Blizzard never mentioned anything like that in his lawsuit, so i am really interested how he came up with that fact, and why bots can not be communicating ...i have seen at least few plugins that let you communicate with players.

      I hope you are still following, till here we have no paragraph, no law rule that is mentioned. Its just ... the game has rules, people need to know them upfront and to follow them. This one will soon lead us very fast to the next higher court, some when in 2013.

      Another interesting facts are that, we will soon not be allowed to use the terms "WOW Bot" and "World of Warcraft Bot" ... i mean since when is BOT a protected trademark ?

      Blizzard had to take back the sentence that ment that our software automatically levels, which in this case is untrue, as blizzard does the level switch not our software.

      Blizzard had to take back that we had to destroy the memory on the servers, where the trademarks where used ... how in hell would you come up with that in the first place ... instead of changing the html source code and removing the trademark infringed words, they wanted me to delete for example the index.html ..that was also turned back to something that makes sense. Not that its right by our opinion, but its what we will need to live with until the next higher instance.

      Now the important things:

      The ruling will be on 29th January. From this point on we can no longer distribute Honorbuddy in the territory of Germany, just Germany.

      This means more or less, that we will stop the sales of Honorbuddy in the territory of Germany and the distribution of updates for Honorbuddy in the territory of Germany.

      However since the ruling will be fully written on 29th January, i can not go any more into details, since i have none. After that we appeal and go to the next higher court, and the chances fro that are pretty good, after the show we had in the LG of Hamburg.
       
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      Kurze Zusammenfassung vom 4. Dezember 2012

      Unsere Verhandlung war angesetzt f?r 11:45 - 12:00, ganze 15 Minuten - meine Anw?lte hatten 4 grosse Ordner mit. Dass es nicht dazu kam diese zu verwenden, ist eine andere Sache, aber leider ging es nicht um 11:45 los, sondern wir mussten uns bis etwa 12:50 gedulden.

      Danach meinten die Richter, dass an sich alles sehr klar ist, wir sind Wettbewerber, auf die ABG kommt es nicht an, ob die eingebungen sind oder nicht, aber das Spiel h?tte Spielregeln.

      Jeder m?sse sich diese Aktiv besorgen, wenn er am Spielbetrieb teilnehmen wolle. Dass die Spielregeln in den AGB versteckt sind, zumindest teilweise, und es auf die AGB nicht ankommt, hat nicht nur mich zum Nachdenken gebracht.

      Honorbuddy wurde dann auch mit einem W?rfel in "Mensch ?rger dich nicht" verglichen, der nur sechser wirft. Es wurde auch erw?hnt, dass es bei WOW um Kommunikation geht, d.h. um die Unternahltung /Chat zwischen spielern, die Erw?hnung kam vom Richter und war in keinem der Antr?ge jemals beschrieben worden, dass WOWs Ziel das Kommunizieren sei.

      Und weil Bots ja nicht kommunizieren k?nnten, was ich stark bezweifele, da wir entsprechende Plug-Ins haben, die sich selbst?ndig unterhalten k?nnen, w?ren Bots auch nicht angebracht in einem Spiel wie WOW.

      Ich habe des ?ffteren meinen Kupf in kurzen Rhythmen von links nach rechts bewegt, bei all dem Schwachsinn den ich da geh?rt habe.

      Entscheidend bleibt:

      Alte Kunden k?nnen die Software nutzen, auch nach dem 29. Januar - aber nur so lange bis Sie ein Update von HB ben?tigen, denn:

      Ab dem 29. Januar wird aller voraussicht nach der Vertrieb verboten sein in Deutschland, das schlie?t ein den Verkauf und das zu Verf?gung stellen von Updates f?r HB.

      Nach dem 29. Januar 2013 gehen wir sofort in Berufung, das bedeutet dennoch eine Auszeit f?r deutsche User die durchaus auch mehrere Monate sein kann, sollte denn Blizzard WOW am 30.01.2013 updaten.
       
    3. Mario27

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      so that means the same with Diablo3 the bot can be sold outside the germany right so holland is stil safe ?
       
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      Not good news for german players, lucky im uk ;)
       
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      im happy that im in holland:)
       
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      Vive la France for my part :)
       
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      Will it be the IP what makes you a german?
       
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      i think it wil go the same as diablo3 bot first they could not sell it to germany people and later on they could again but a ip changer might help for u dont know
       
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      Really only Germany or is this also for Austria? ;)
       
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      Oh god, im screwed. I hate this soooooo much :E

      Austria isn't germany. You can continue using it.
       
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      german pls
       
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      Wir d?rfen den Bot nichtmehr benutzen.
       
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      I see so I can still use the bot buy the bot and get updates I live in the netherlands.

      Will the judge decide over the rest of the world on the 29th of january or not or isn't that clear yet?

      Very sad for all germans who can't buy the bot anymore.
       
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      The judges can only decide for germany because it is only a german court.

      Greetings
       
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      hij zegt duidelijk just germany als je goed leest.
       
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      No updates for me ....

      mhm no problem, i take the new updates from my swiss friend and use it
      Or i use hotspot shield to download it...
      or Bossland release a new bot with a other name...
      so many options^^
       
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      Long story short - we can't sell in Germany after January 29th assuming the judge confirms in writing on that day.
       
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      Does this mean, that from now on German users of honor buddy won't be getting updates? If so, we purchased a license over 3600 days, will there be any refunds?
       
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      Dat snap ik daarom wil ik ook graag weten of ze weten wanneer het over andere landen zal gaan.

      I get that that's why I want to know if they know when it will be about other countries like mine.
       
    20. Mario27

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      nee alleen duitsland net zo als met diablo alle andere landen zijn fijn zo als de us china uk nl etc.
       
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