Discussion in 'Death Knight' started by TheFuture, Aug 23, 2014.
I'll make a big log tonight I put it to you with the necessary considerations.
Unholy could use a better AoE rotation which included a lot more Blood Boil uses. I did some testing in heroic BRF and I'm at the bottom of the charts if I leave Necro to do its thing. If I spam out Blood Boil manually, it does a lot better. Festering Strike should also be used to begin the AoE rotation if there are any Frost Runes up so they're converted to Death Runes. Also, Death Coil works fine, but it seems like the rotation is geared more towards pooling Runic Power for transformations. I believe the Runic Power should be used up so you have more Runic Corruption procs which is more valuable than saving it for a quick transformation.
There it is . Be happy or my money back .
Imperator mar'gok - breath of sindragosa - 2 trys
Some times all runes are capped
used Empower Rune Weapon without breath of sindragosa is up.
Used death and decay on 1 target
Dont spread diseases when have 2 or more targets
Runic power capped some times, when reaches 100, sometimes it keep casting others spells instead Death coil.
oregorger - UB / NP
Where the option to Necoticblight rotation? (Death Knight DPS Guide)
Gruul - PL / Defile
Use of Defile are so slow, used like 10-15 secs after cd goes off.
Some times diseases goes off, and CR dont using death runes to re-apply.
Use of PL is poor. I have 2 fuly-fepleted runes, and outbreak off cd, and hes not used in a good time to make runes in a good time to burst.
First, Breath of Syndragosa should never be used in Frost or Unholy. This talent is nowhere NEAR viable for either dps spec and should only be used in Blood. Second, the routine will use whatever talents you have chosen, so the "option" for the Necroblight play style you're looking for is already there. The one problem I have already address to Storm/Weis is that the use of Unholy Blight isn't consistent...especially on boss pulls. Third, I've never had a problem with Defile. Yes, I agree that Plague Leech doesn't always activate during the most effective times and DOES need some tweaking. Plague Leech should be used in the same manner you would use Empower Rune Weapon...when you have absolutely nothing to do...you're completely rune locked. Using it when you have any two runes on cooldown is a waste of a GCD. You have higher priorities to use that GCD on. Other than that the routine works fine with the exception of my most previous post.
BoS can be used on Gruul, Oregorger, and Blackhand as Unholy with manual control.
Who told you BoS is not viable, its best then defile in single target fights.
Where's the option to Necroblight play style?
BoS just doesn't make sense to use in any situation as Frost or Unholy...unless you can make a compelling argument that would convince me otherwise (i.e. works well with RE or BT, etc.)
I guess that's why all the top 3 ranked Unholy DK's all use either Defile or Necrotic Plague on those fights, right?
Necroblight isn't really a play style as it is just a specific talent choice. All you're doing is using Unholy Blight to boost Necrotic Plague to 15 stacks and nothing more. It doesn't involve a completely different rotation like Master Complicated or Master Simple for DW Frost.
Skullflower just wanted to be the next person to "invent" a new playstyle as Mendenbarr did before him. But all he did was explain the mechanics of Unholy Blight when used with Necrotic Plague and tell you how to use it efficiently. That does NOT make it a new playstyle.
Where are you looking? Look at warcraftlogs.com and look at the dps breakdown of dk's during those fights. BOS is good.
Regardless, empowered rune weapon is not something you line up with bos persay, ideally you want to use it when you all your runes are depleted and lowish on rp during a burst phase or trinket proc etc.
I'm looking at worldoflogs.com. And if you compare the dps between those that use Defile and those that have been using BoS, the difference is about 3-4k in Defile's favor. That doesn't convince me BoS is really all that good. SimC is even showing BoS to be lower than NP on a single target. Dunno...if I'm using HB/Necro...there's no point in using a subpar talent...especially when your rotation is being done with robotic precision.
Are you a braid dead moron? The highest DPS in DK (especially in Blood) are ALL using BoS... Stop using Sim. It assumes defile to be up 100% of the time, and your target being on defile 100% of the time.
Anyways to the author of this CR. I am ranked ~50 as a Blood DK, and my Multistrike is currently at 39%. I tried out breathe, and you really need to make it so that you can manually press it or make it active on trinket proc + close to 100 RP.. However with maidens, I was able to keep it up for about a minute 47 seconds, could've been longer if it didn't automatically activate.
Tried this on trial and it's def a good CR for tanking. I went 6/7M and 3/10M using this. Although BB/defile can be improved, and with the manual addition of Breathe, this will be a boss CR.
I also have videos of me on your CR tanking all 10H bosses, if you want to see.
Name calling? Are you 12 years old? And no one is talking about Blood. Read the posts so you know what's going on before you start acting like an asshole. And if you actually look at the numbers for Unholy DK's between worldoflogs and warcraftlogs BoS is NOWHERE NEAR the top. Did you even look? Make sure you compare like-ilvls.
Frost/Unholy.... all at mythic progression using Mark [FYI, they are the top ranked DPS in their class from 680+ iLVL]. Get over it. I called you a moron because you use Sim without actually going out and trying out these combinations in raids.
I'm not sure if you're looking at heroic logs, because nobody really gives a shit about heroic logs.
An unholy DK in my guild tops DPS and keeps breathe active for a long period of time with MS trinks/enchants. It's a more advance play style than just putting an AOE spell on the floor.
daemon9, Simulationcraft doesn't have an option to use for soaking with AMS. Gruul you can soak Inferno Slice and Oregorger you can soak the 2nd hit of the Explosive Shard.
Can this be used to level a DK from 55-100?
It will work but it may not be pretty. This routine is meant to be used at max level so you won't be using optimized rotations for the levels you may be at.
Addressing the other discussions: Defile with this routine as DPS does not cast on cooldown exactly. They added a check that requires the boss to be standing still for at least 2 seconds before it will cast defile/dnd. This was added to deal with the bot just tossing a defile as soon as you engaged and then the boss moves 20 feet. If you want to force defile to be cast regardless of movement then use the hotkey fuctions that are configurable and provided.
Breath of Sindra is really good for single/cleave fights where you can soak damage and the targets are standing relatively still. So for Gruul / oregorger its incredible if you have the multistrike to keep it up. You can also are soaking damage on those fights as a mechanic so you can force RP. Though for oregorger I still prefer NP to be able to stack it and meet him at his end points to refresh it. I tend to have good luck with it spreading to his boxes all around the room as he rolls around.
Also trusting sim DPS as law is bad for you. You can arm chair quarterback it all you want from a simulator and doing theorycrafting for days on end then go to apply it in a realtime situation and it just doesn't add up. It helps that a lot more logs are coming out and being available so you can see what setups are viable for what fights.
Bump to routine team: Any chance after the new core comes out to add a sub rotation activated by a modifier to force festering to increase necrotic plague timer. For use on kromag and blackhand balcony
Guys, just a reminder: Cut the crap.
I really appreciate when you engage in a discussion about what plays better but name shaming and cursing is no way to underline your points.
Weischbier, I sent you a PM but you haven't replied. I need to know how to re-purchase your Necrophilia routine. Tuanha's DK routine has been having issues lately, issues which yours does not seem to have.
Let me know ok?
So I was fiddling with this CR more and here are results for BoS. I noticed that if you keep BoS up longer than 2 minutes, the routine will toggle it off, and reactivate it, despite you being at 100 RP. The wipe was at around phase 2 of IM. This is using NORMAL MS trinkets from BRF (Blood DK):
Second DMG Done/DPS. I think 44k DPS is 99 percentile for IM on heroic, if I am not mistaking.
This routine is probably the best in terms for Blood DKs, and has a lot of potential.
does anyone know how good unholy and frost are with this routine? can we do mythic with this routine?
Hey all. I haven't dug too much into this routine yet, that being said I"ve been using Tuahna now for a while and broke down and got this after reading pages and pages of reviews. I wanted to know if anyone can screen shot or send me good blood settings? Currently I'm 681 and am currently doing Heroics. The guild plans to move to Mythic which is a large reason I'm stepping away from Tuahna. I'm currently using the default Blood build and when it comes to my lvl 100 talent I have BoS but am not currently set on it. Defile seems easier to use per encounter, but if it meshes well with certain settings I'm all ears.
Thanks in advance!
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