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    1. MrLamp

      MrLamp New Member

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      The honorbuddy api has stuff thats arena only, like the class ArenaTypes and some other. So saying they never supported arena is wrong, if they didn't, they wouldn't have taken the time to add these things to the api. Retarded BL..
       
    2. V1R4G3

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      There are tons of things datamined from WoW that were never intended to be added to the game. Perhaps those elements were present for future consideration of official support? Irrelevant code proves nothing. The product was never marketed as an Arena bot.
       
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      There is flying API in WOD are we flying ??? I don't think so... Means nothing..
       
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      evry CR still works don't get it wtf?
       
    5. TheLoFaT

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      I cannot believe this thread is still going... Let me put some info in here so I can stomp on some of these trolls and enlighten some folks here

      1. Bossland's statement was pretty much along the lines of "WOW! We made Blizzard pretty angry! Well we don't know how we made them so mad they banned us but we are going to disable arena and hope that it makes them less mad at us!" Believe it, don't believe it. Do whatever you like. A bot is a bot. And the retail legit players will bitch about anything and everything. So you can imagine the heat will be coming down on BGs here soon. Then it'll be coming down on Dungeonbuddy. Then it will finally hit people in Raids who are bragging about their rankings etc, etc. Just take the statement for what it is

      2. If Bossland doesn't want to support Arena there are other platforms that will. Don't listen to these dumbass trolls on the thread who want to confuse you by saying that there isn't anything better or that there never will be. You'd be a fool to think that Blizzard hasn't already wiped out other bots like PQR and thus set the stage for Honorbuddy. The botting motto.... I live, I die, I live again. BLAH BLAH. PVP players will have things set up elsewhere. When there is something to be exploited it will be exploited. Just need to have something called PATIENCE.

      3. Cheating is cheating...there is no way to justify it because you are being judged by the sheeple that Blizzard has farmed and groomed. It doesn't matter if you profit 1 gold or if you land Gladiator. You are scum to them because well....they have no life and value their virtual goods entirely too much lol. You should be using third party software in order to make whatever you enjoy more suitable for you. If you ever believe truly that you are not cheating and using this software. You, my friend, are insane! So go get some real help.

      4. Be prepared to die... Everyone dies....Everyone will get caught eventually on a long enough timeline. There is no immunity. You are playing the game of chance and can have it turn upside down on you at any moment. Don't take it out on fellow botters or anyone else for that matter when the actions you did cause the consequences. Life isn't fair. You have the option to pick up and move on or to invest and try again at your own risk. Like everyone else.

      5. Finally, there is only speculation on how all this plays out. How blizzard and Bossland decide to dance to the beat around these million dollar issues. Neither one of them will ever have to justify themselves to us. We bought their products to use the way we felt worthy. I am sure that there has been some worthy refunds that have been handed out to the people who truly didn't get what they deserved(IE people buying keys or licenses the day of or prior to the ban). Buying a third party program is taking the same risk that you know what it will get you into. There is other places that you can go out and I am sure you can market your loss to and people will be glad to take things off your hands.
       
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    6. webhond

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      The underlined..see you say stuff like that a lot. And thats allowed? Showing people the door cause they dont agree with you?

      You keep saying " bossland agrees with you", he doesnt even know who you are nor does he share your statement why its removed.
      He did it for his business, prolly made a deal, who knows. But it has nothing to do with you. Let that get into your head for a change!
      Somehow i feel you think your a mod / developer or whatever, but besides your braggin about 25 accounts and never banned, no one knows
      you. Period. You agree with him, and that is something completely different.

      Disproved by the "wrong ones" is/are anyone who doesnt fit your profile, aka rides your wave, blows where the highest and hardest wind takes you.
      Cause we all seen by know, you talk a lot, but in the end, if the statement or direction changes you roll with it.

      Yes im back, not to annoy, ill try to be subtile for a change, but plz for the love of zues's bu**hole stop thinking you mean anything to
      anyone here on the forum besides maybe your camel pony. You 2 seem to be very awesome together.

      He removed arena, sure np. But then do the right thing and remove whatever is giving this bot the biggest heat, and thats still
      bg buddy and last time i checked, its still on! There has noting been so annoying and complainfull then this damn part of the bot
      and its not removed. If you REALLY want to take heat off you that is what you remove. 100's of pages of complains on eu and us
      together. Close to a 1000. And on arena, what? U see how many twitch people aint streaming all of a sudden? O wait, you answered
      that one allready? Guess you dont know a lot of people on twitch then.

      But who am i talking to. You only believe in your side of the story and as long as a few still agree on your clueless fanboy posts made
      you keep on going.

      Other bots are allready taking over. And you know, ive seen em, they aint half bad. Might NEVER be as good as Hb since this bot was and
      is awesome, but detection wise it doesnt matter, blizz showed that they can hit us whenever they want and slap us around as hard as they
      want to. And as often as they want to. Ofcourse blizzard knows we start over and banning people again wouldnt make a difference, so wait
      a few weeks, months, god knows how long and do it again. Circle is round again and money made. working as intended. As someone stated
      allready, developers will move with it, allready looking around. In the end bg will removed im sure, maybe then pve and all this will do in the
      end is farm and afk shizzle. Thats where this is going to.This bot got big because of all those developers putting hard work in it, and then
      besides the core crew, i mean the cr ones. You know what i mean. Singular works, and all is said with that. You need a competitive cr, even in
      pve or you wont be topping those meters by far. All those cr's / plugins and whatnot made, thats what made this bot big. Not the core. When that
      moves on, this bot dies!

      Does bossland know how we got detected, we will never know. i sure hope he does, or even, tinfoil hat, made a deal! Since if he doesnt know
      what happened, its just clear blizzard can detect us whenever they want to and we are " allowed" to some degree. Why fight em if you can
      make money off em? They ban us when complains move up, we start over. Legit players happy, we start over. All of a sudden 50 % off on
      battlechests and we go again. Its a viscious circle. How many people you think would still play if there was NO bot available at all? Bots belong
      to a game. And for all those lawsuits and " virtual millions" spend on lawyers. You clearly have no clue on how a business or big mmo works.
      Money spend on that is nothing compared to gain cause people see they fight it. What mmo would this be if it publicly allowed us. It would be dead. Long
      ago. But they need us as well. You seen the servers now, empty. no herbs, no mats, no whatever. insane prices. Its retarded to say the last.

      So, now you can call me a butthurt arena player again but i showed you allready i dont play arena, since 2013 less then 100 matches. But
      you didnt got that out of that screenshot i showed you. Lets see how people cry complain and QQ when pve gets removed. Since you dont ruin anything but help others.
      Lol, that part was funny to read. Cheat is a cheat. PvP Cant show titles, but you lot can show your newly gained gear and be proud of it, lets not
      forget, bitch on others cause they aint as good as you. Cause you know you do it ! All about pve has allready been said and it comes down to this. You
      hurt the enviroment just as much. You cheat. You disgust the people around you when they knew. You would be kicked from the raid. You are no
      better then anyone else using this bot just cause you can move when a timer tells you to while that bot does your rotation.

      But you say, they dont know. Well bossland. Remove interupts and cc's from the crs and no one in arena will know either? Right?

      You ever raided, lets say hardcore. You know what it means to read up, be there, prep. Now you dont have to do anything at all cause you only have to move
      when a timer tells you to. Tell me how that is not disgusting to that player next to you who watched 5 vids and is watchig his timers when smaching those buttons
      to maximise his dps so he keeps his raid spot. You ( pve ) in general dont need to do anythign but watch a timer and move, while sippin that beer.
      Be sure, more then you know will kick you from any raid if they knew you was botting. ( you as in general, again )

      Tl;dr. I think its funny this thread is still going. Will not post in it no more. I just think its funny and i said it before. How some can keep bashing on
      others without a word and others ( not me, idc ) get muted for saying whats on their mind.

      have fun discussing further, i take some beer and a popcorn and will be smiling!

      Edit : And to this post above me, best in this whole thread +1
       
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    7. Goshinki

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      So let me get this straight. You say they don't support it yet they code it to work... They make a store for PVP. When the biggest amount of people play Arena... and they end up making a money off it.


      So lets say a drug dealer doesn't support selling drugs and wont do anything himself.. Yet his house has a little trap door he made for his cats (or whatever). But his room mate deals drugs out of and he sees this every day. On top of that he takes a cut of the profit on top of the rent money.... I bet his ass would still go to jail cause he supported that shit and allowed it. Just like allowing illegal shit to be posted on a forum. If you don't remove it. You can only play ignorant for so long before the law will come down on you and say you support that shit.


      No one cares about Arena being removed the CR Authors will just come and go. People feel ripped off when someone says they didn't mean to support it from the beginning. Yet only a moron would agree with that. It's a damn lie and people aren't ignorant.


      Don't remember Bossland posting anything about Arena being not supported since I've been here since 2011. I've seen moderators tell people they won't support a Botbase for automated play like BGBuddy but for Arenas. I've also seen them say they won't help people troubleshoot getting a Botbase in Arena working.

      But again they coded it to work and call Arena only commands and they made money of it. I don't care if they want to hide and say they were just the middleman they sure as hell supported it.



      So in the dumbest terms possible Thecamel and razer... You are wrong.


      People will leave and it doesn't matter. Bossland can run business how ever he wants to run it. But most people won't be quite about a straight lie.



      They have let BGBuddy rot the Botting world. I hasn't been updated in years it seems. This same blind eye is the true cause for the ban wave. Laziness to make the Bot more human in every Botbase and CR.

      The HB team simply is unwilling to make things such as Botting Arena more human like. They don't enforce rules to limit what is needed and correct the obvious botting practices such as BGBuddy. If it's broken as BGBuddy it should of been disabled or fixed. 99% of the botting complaints are because of that. The other few are because of instant interrupts. All of this is fixable...


      Disabling full AFK in BGs, instant interrupts, and movement in PVP. Would be a better reaction to stay low key then just blaming botting in Arena.


      But again it's not my business but lying again is moronic.
       
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    8. matt84

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      sorry, but you're wrong i know several people from several guilds who got suspended in the wave and whose guilds are all annoyed they lost raiders, but waiting for them to come back
      also been offered to have another guild members alt transferred onto new accounts to use
      also been offered promotions when they get unsuspended
      and i'm talking about mythic guilds 5 - 10 mythic not like 1 or 2 mythic.
       
    9. Turnip

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      Why is this thread still going?
       
    10. MrPewterSchmidt

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      People need to vent and if this thread gets closed they'll open new threads.
       
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      Dude really.....
      This is all about a cheating software. To keep everyone's account safe he would shutdown the bot wave his hand at you while walking out the door.
      There is no Blizz is cool with botter type A vs botter type B. If you read the bans right now Kicks lvling seems to be the big ban right now. that has nothing with PVP.
      Bossland turned of PVP okay so he can sell it as a PVE bot, cool but keep in mind it isn't that he thinks your safe doing this it is so he can still sell his product.
      Do you guys really think that one type of botting is not going to make someone mad? When I played by hand and was a botting hater, yea my 2 hours of mining didn't make as much due to bots and I would piss and moan, but I was fine with bots in PVP cause I ran with at lest 4 or 5 friends and we could kick a bot teams ass any day.
      Get of your high horse understand that just cause they got rid of areana don't mean that your right and the person mad about not having it is wrong.
      Please show me were they said you and I mean you were right.
       
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    13. ryftobuddy

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      It's still funny to me that any of you think you will sway Bossland to add arena's back in....You won't, the decisions been made and there's absolutely nothing you can do to change their mind.

      Arguing that different aspects of the bot is just as bad is just silly. What do you want bossland to do now? Just remove every aspect of the bot? Turn the bot off completely? How does that help anyone?

      The buddy team has a very clear policy on refunds from the buddy store, too...If you weren't aware of the policy, that's your own fault. You should've known going in that you had 1 week to get a refund, no matter what happens after that week, you aren't eligible for a refund. And if the 20 bucks you spent on the CR or profile or whatever is too much for you, maybe you shouldn't have bought it in the first place. You can still use said profiles in BG's anyways, it's not like you've lost the ability to use a CR at all.

      And it's impossible for me to even comprehend how you guys think arena's were the most widely used pvp function of the bot. They were probably the smallest usage overall. Normal BG's were by far the most popular use.
       
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      Ive been playing arena "manually" the past few weeks and its awesome without bots. Coming from a botter its awesome. I havent turned on HB since the banwave as its got major problems atm and with the increase of risk % is quite large. dont want to take my chances of throwing away $50. WoW and botting they go in hand, botting is like the new main stream for casual Wow players, let the bot do the boring shit while you jump on later for the fun stuff.

      If you are a casual botter you can get from 1-90 in 8 hours and than 90-100 in under 8 also than it took me 3 days to get full pvp set again and back up to 2400+ in 3s. Wow is just a easy ass game now, most casual people bot due to boring repeative tasks. And people bot in Arena for E-PP to get the feeling of we just kicked the ass out of that guy "YAY" Thank You Bots. yea cheating is cheating and another bot will take hb for arena, but personally I dont need a bot for arena I have skill. ROFL

      With that note im out of here!
       
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      There is no increased risk of botting right now, and the bot has no more problems now than it did in the past. There's the exact same risk there's always been.

      But I'm actually glad to see you go. The forums will be a better place without you in them.
       
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      I am pretty sure its %100 risky. Bliz just waiting for 6 months and then they ll close all accounts permanently... If they detect HB once , they can again...
       
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      Of course there is an increased risk. 4 years of no banwave or detection. Last month, banwave.

      Statistically speaking, the risk of being banned when using HB has increased.
       
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      no more risky except thousands of people just got banned and they don't know why. if you were given an enema after death you could be buried in a matchbox
       
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      TLDR

      You're wrong. Program code always has pieces of code that are either remnants of functionality that was scrapped before release or possible future features that may or may not be implemented.

      Combat Routines simply took advantage of that, and Bossland didn't put his foot down. Singular (the official, support CR) NEVER supported Arena. So please direct me to where Honorbuddy has ever officially supported it?

      You are grasping at straws because something you want was taken away. The reality is, you should have never had it in the first place. A mature adult would be happy for the time he had it, take some time to mourn its passing, and move on. But therein lies the problem...

      And on another note. There you guys go again bitching about BGBuddy. Do you really, for one second, think that gaming community takes nearly as much offense to botting in non-rated random battlegrounds or rated, competitive Arena? You don't, because no sane person would, but you'll say you do to support your point.

      Reduction: The Arena support glitch has been fixed. The people who took advantage of it are mad. They feel entitled (because everyone does, these days) and they will do whatever they can to hurt as many other people as possible, because they are the 'victim'. e.g. demand refunds, verbally abuse developers, troll forums, campaign to have BGBuddy (a feature present since launch) removed.

      We've all had enough.
       
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      We could really cut down the warfare if bossland had the foresight to realise the backlash before making the announcement.

      Its enough of a policy shift that people who bought the bot, and store items, should be able to get a no questions asked refund. But, given the audience, it's just going to be bitter and disputed.

      It's terrible timing. But the manner in which it was announced, made it worse, ie during a blackout of services and without any alternative or remedy.

      I'd say that any normal person would have realised and changed their methods after seeing the anger, but it doesn't see as if bossland pays any attention to the forums or admins or devs that keep the business going. So, YMMV. I don't see HB changing or improving in the next year or more given the attitude to this and other feedback. IMHO.
       
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